[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:02:22] <rdieter>	KDE SIG Meeting, init, who's present today?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:02:31] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-04-14 -- Init".
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:02:34] 	 * jreznik is here
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:02:36] <svahl>	present
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:02:50] <rdieter>	than sent regrets
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:03:23] 	 * ltinkl is here
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:03:34] <Kevin_Kofler>	Present (made it just in time :-) ).
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:04:01] <rdieter>	woo, look over, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-04-14#Agenda , anything else to discuss today?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:04:04] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-04-14 -- Agenda".
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:04:36] <rdieter>	I suppose an obligatory artwork status update wouldn't hurt.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:04:37] <Kevin_Kofler>	KDE 4.2.2 / Qt 4.5 status
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:05:16] <jreznik>	some recent bugs?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:06:21] 	 * rdieter can't think of any worth mention, but is already a bit loopy from cold medicine
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:06:22] <Kevin_Kofler>	The fd leak saga maybe? Not really recent, but recent updates.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:06:39] <rdieter>	ok
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:06:47] <rdieter>	we can hit that at the end
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:07:02] <Kevin_Kofler>	(That would be: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=484370 )
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:07:04] <buggbot>	Bug 484370: medium, low, ---, than, ASSIGNED, kde is leaking open file descriptors, causing SELinux AVC warnings
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:07:52] <rdieter>	topic 1: kdeartwork(-subpkgs) on the KDE live images (short)
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:08:06] <Kevin_Kofler>	svahl?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:08:17] <rdieter>	svahl, jreznik ?  (we should probably assign owners/names for agenda items, eh? :) )
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:08:23] <svahl>	:)
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:08:42] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-04-14 -- kdeartwork(-subpkgs) on the KDE live images (short)".
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:09:00] <jreznik>	svahl it's your showtime now :)
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:09:05] <svahl>	I've added kdeartwork and kdeartwork-sounds to the live images. On the snapshot there is also kdeartwork-kxs but the size increased a few megs the last days so I'll remove it soon
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:09:16] <svahl>	kdeartwork-screensavers was just too big
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:09:23] <jreznik>	what's the current size?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:09:40] <svahl>	694/700 megs https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl/CurrentPackageList
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:09:45] <rdieter>	why include -sounds?  (maybe it's not that big, and doesn't matter much either way)
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:09:47] <svahl>	i686/x86_64
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:09:55] <Kevin_Kofler>	Keep in mind that the size will vary with the Leonidas artwork.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:09:59] <Kevin_Kofler>	(instead of Solar)
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:10:13] <svahl>	Kevin_Kofler: nod
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:10:19] <rdieter>	I agree that having the full screensavers on the live image doesn't make much sense
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:10:20] <Kevin_Kofler>	So we may have to do some adjustments to the package list when it hits.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:10:55] <ltinkl>	is that using the updated leonidas backgrounds?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:11:07] <rdieter>	don't think so.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:11:18] <rdieter>	and it's almost certainly going to be bigger than solar was
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:11:18] <Kevin_Kofler>	We need a theme in the KDE format for that.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:11:20] <ltinkl>	I wonder if they're bigger
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:11:34] <rdieter>	the image(s) are more complex
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:11:51] <jreznik>	I think it's going to be bigger
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:12:24] <ltinkl>	http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2009/04/new-leonidas-backgrounds.html
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:12:26] <ltinkl>	for the record
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:12:59] <rdieter>	that segue's into the next artwork topic
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:13:03] <jreznik>	currently it's 29 megs with landscape
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:13:22] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-04-14 -- artwork - short status".
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:13:23] <jreznik>	11 megs lion theme only
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:14:05] <rdieter>	discussed with Kevin_Kofler the other day, and it may be worth putting future effort into making sure jpg backgrounds work everywhere (including kdm, ksplash)
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:14:09] <jreznik>	short state - artwork team finally agreed on theme, so I'm working on it right now
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:14:24] <jreznik>	package is already in rawhide
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:14:27] <Kevin_Kofler>	I don't know if JPEG works right now in KDM, we'd have to verify.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:14:45] <Kevin_Kofler>	We need the landscapes without the lion only for KDM, so if that works, we could use JPEG for those.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:14:46] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: msourada is preparing background for KDM
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:15:05] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: default wp is without lion
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:15:05] <ltinkl>	I don't think kdm supports anything else than PNG
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:15:09] <Kevin_Kofler>	KSplash (or rather, KSplashX, the engine "everything" uses) only supports PNG.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:15:12] <jreznik>	lion is only in second screen
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:15:32] <Kevin_Kofler>	Because it doesn't use Qt's image loading functions, but a custom fork of some Qt code.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:15:56] <jreznik>	it's intended behaviour - people are complaining that lion is so bright so they can't see icons -> lion on dual head only
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:16:25] <Kevin_Kofler>	We'd need our own KSplash engine (fork of KSplashX to use the system Qt?).
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:16:58] <jreznik>	it's not using qt to be fast
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:17:29] <Kevin_Kofler>	If the default wallpaper is already without the lion, do we really need something different for KDM?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:17:31] <jreznik>	we can have plymouth like splash in qt but it's a lot of work
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:17:53] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: I don't think so... currently there's same image as normal wp
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:17:59] <jreznik>	I have to talk to msourada
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:18:21] <jreznik>	they are trying to pay back delay? :D
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:18:33] <Kevin_Kofler>	IMHO having the same wallpaper everywhere is better, it brings us seamless transitions (modulo different scaling behavior for aspect ratios not covered by our images) and saves space.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:18:36] <jreznik>	so too kind to us :)
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:18:54] <Kevin_Kofler>	I think we should have one set of wallpapers shared by everything, just as in Solar.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:19:00] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: I think so, just looking on it... I had to solve one scb bug...
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:19:17] <jreznik>	one wp for everything...
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:19:25] <rdieter>	jreznik: thanks, let us know how things progress...
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:19:33] <jreznik>	but firtst I'd like to ping msourada what's his plan for it
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:19:34] <Kevin_Kofler>	As for KSplashX not using Qt for speed, I'm not convinced it really helps at all.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:19:35] <jreznik>	https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-kde-artwork/
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:19:38] <Kevin_Kofler>	KDM already loads Qt!
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:19:53] <jreznik>	it's in SVN
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:19:54] <rdieter>	and we all know how slow and bloated qt is... :)
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:20:08] <jreznik>	rdieter: really? I don't know
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:20:18] <rdieter>	not!
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:20:23] <ltinkl>	Kevin_Kofler: kdm does but ksplashx doesn't
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:20:47] <jreznik>	Qt on framebuffer on Freerunner is like road runner :D
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:20:53] <jreznik>	on X11 sooooo slooooooow
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:20:56] <rdieter>	anyway, can we move on?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:21:04] <jreznik>	okay so summary
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:21:18] <jreznik>	1. I'm working on it, for help - SVN repo
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:21:31] <jreznik>	2. I have first mockup from brejc8, thanks!
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:21:50] <Kevin_Kofler>	KDM appears to support JPEG, they use the standard Qt image loading stuff.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:21:57] <Kevin_Kofler>	ltinkl: But KDM runs before KSplashX.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:22:00] <jreznik>	3. I'll ping msourada about KDM background...
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:22:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	So Qt is already in memory by the time KSplashX runs!
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:22:13] <Kevin_Kofler>	So not using Qt saves basically zero loading time.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:22:15] <ltinkl>	not necessaryily
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:22:24] <jreznik>	with GDM/XDM
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:22:29] <ltinkl>	in runlevel 5 yes
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:22:41] <jreznik>	but who's using GDM - it's his problem...
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:23:06] <Kevin_Kofler>	There's also stuff in our startup scripts using kde4-config.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:23:09] <jreznik>	and I don't like that KSplashX hack like - "this code is copied from Qt source"
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:23:17] <Kevin_Kofler>	I think the profile script to set the Qt plugin path, in particular.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:23:24] <Kevin_Kofler>	jreznik: +1
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:23:37] <Kevin_Kofler>	IMHO we should develop a KSplashQ fork which uses regular Qt.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:23:47] <Kevin_Kofler>	It's late for F11, but it can be useful for F12.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:24:05] <Kevin_Kofler>	With standard Qt, we could even use JPEG2000 compression.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:24:14] <Kevin_Kofler>	kdelibs provides a plugin for QImage to load that.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:24:26] <Kevin_Kofler>	But for now we're stuck with PNG only because of KSplashX.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:24:47] <rdieter>	nod, next topic?  qt45/kde422 update status
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:24:55] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-04-14 -- qt45/kde422 update status".
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:25:18] <rdieter>	I think things have progressed fairly well wrt qt45/kde422.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:25:36] <rdieter>	Is there any big blockers remaining?  (there are a few smaller items here and there, yes...)
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:25:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	The statuses of Qt-only apps I know of:
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:26:11] <Kevin_Kofler>	* psi is basically usable, though several minor annoyances have been reported
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:26:39] <Kevin_Kofler>	But I have no idea when they'll be fixed, so I don't think waiting for fixes is really an option unless they magically come in fast.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:26:40] <rdieter>	confirmed, active vs inactive buttons, being one.  minor
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:27:28] <rdieter>	let me put this another way, do folks think we're getting close to consider pushing this all to stable updates?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:27:29] <jreznik>	I've found this one - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189266
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:27:34] <buggbot>	Bug 189266: normal, NOR, ---, kdelibs-bugs kde org, UNCONFIRMED, Server list is not shown properly first time
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:27:40] <Kevin_Kofler>	* merkaartor is reported to crash in some cases, but not others.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:28:20] <jreznik>	and another one is kded4 consuming 100 % of cpu
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:28:23] <rdieter>	jreznik: thats with konv4 though, right?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:29:07] <jreznik>	rdieter: yes... it's only to say - something wrong over there... I don't know if it affects some other apps
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:29:26] <Kevin_Kofler>	For merkaartor: different behavior for Rawhide vs. F10 and for i386 vs. x86_64, WTF?! For both psi and merkaartor, killefiz is the maintainer to ask for details.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:29:39] <Kevin_Kofler>	I hope we can at least sort out the merkaartor crash.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:30:08] <Kevin_Kofler>	I'm not aware of any other outstanding issues with Qt-only apps. qjackctl and qsynth have fixed builds in the update set now.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:30:47] <rdieter>	the kded4 100% cpu, and some reports of plasma crashes (with -1,-1 coordinates?) are 2 that worry me
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:31:08] <Kevin_Kofler>	jreznik: Some 100% CPU issues have been fixed by recent patches, are these not the one you're seeing?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:31:26] <Kevin_Kofler>	I haven't kept track of what has been built and pushed out already of the incoming fixes.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:31:49] <jreznik>	rdieter: one collegue here has still this issue - I ask him if he updated recently
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:32:03] <jreznik>	it dissappears after reset and it's ok for me
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:32:08] <rdieter>	I recently included an upstream patch for the calendar widget doing 100% cpu
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:32:21] <Kevin_Kofler>	Hmmm, just checked, the kdelibs patches are in the latest update set.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:32:40] <jreznik>	ok, I ask him to update (if not) and we'll see
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:32:45] <Kevin_Kofler>	Got pushed to testing yesterday.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:33:25] <Kevin_Kofler>	The calendar widget stuff is there too (kdebase-workspace-4.2.2-3).
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:33:40] <rdieter>	ok, here's a tentative plan... we wait another ~week and plan on pushing stable early next week? (on or before our next sig meeting perhaps)
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:34:03] <rdieter>	or is that too long (or too fast)? thoughts?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:34:31] <rdieter>	(and I'd like to hear than's opinion before we actually do anything, of course)
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:35:09] <jreznik>	maybe too long but first I have to hear from people there's now 100 % on gauges :D
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:35:14] <Kevin_Kofler>	I'd love to figure out the merkaartor crash, any remaining 100% CPU issues and the "Plasma chokes on some config files" (a.k.a. -1,-1) issue.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:35:37] <rdieter>	I thought the merkaartor rebuild fixed it?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:35:45] <Kevin_Kofler>	It didn't.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:35:50] <Kevin_Kofler>	Talk to killefiz for details.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:36:07] <rdieter>	one person in the bug reported that it worked, arg.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:36:14] <Kevin_Kofler>	I think the issue is somehow related to qgtkstyle.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:36:31] <Kevin_Kofler>	Plus some other system-specific details, maybe.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:36:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	The backtrace has QGtkStyle functions in it (which are part of Qt in 4.5).
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:37:18] <rdieter>	ok
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:38:02] <rdieter>	lastly, our favorite:  bug #493061
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:38:05] <buggbot>	Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=493061 medium, low, ---, ltinkl, ASSIGNED, kpackagekit translations not working
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:38:13] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-04-14 -- #493061: kpackagekit translations not working".
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:38:23] <rdieter>	any clues here, or are we stuck? :)
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:38:36] <ltinkl>	hmm, dunno what to add, I believed I fixed it :/
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:39:00] <rdieter>	ltinkl: does it work for you?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:39:08] <ltinkl>	no
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:39:37] <rdieter>	stuck it is... any upstream bugs, or contacts made wrt to this yet?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:40:04] <rdieter>	If not, it needs to happen asap
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:40:46] <svahl>	not here. ltinkl? Otherwise I take it to upstream bz
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:41:17] <ltinkl>	ye, probably reporting it upstream is the best option
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:41:42] <ltinkl>	together with the fact that the translations aren't packaged at all, unlike my fixed tarball
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:41:47] <svahl>	has upstream released a fixed tarball or is our version the only one which inlcudes the translations?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:41:54] <svahl>	ok
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:42:44] <rdieter>	SMParrish: any comment/opinion here on kpackage translations?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:43:15] <Kevin_Kofler>	+kit
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:43:40] <rdieter>	oh yeah, kpackage needs to be taken out back and shot, kpackagekit indeed
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:44:16] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-04-14 -- open discussion".
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:44:22] <rdieter>	anything else for today?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:44:55] <Kevin_Kofler>	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=484370
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:44:57] <buggbot>	Bug 484370: medium, low, ---, than, ASSIGNED, kde is leaking open file descriptors, causing SELinux AVC warnings
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:45:19] <rdieter>	oh, the file descriptor thing... I trace that to be leaking all the way back to kdeinit4, the socket file descriptor for /tmp/ksocket-<username>/kdeinit4__0 is among the leakage
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:45:23] <Kevin_Kofler>	SELinux is being annoying about those, but the bug is somewhere in KDE.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:45:39] <rdieter>	among others of course.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:46:05] <rdieter>	interestingly, apps started as part of session management do *not* have leaked fd's
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:46:24] <rdieter>	apps started via kickoff/krunner -> leaked socket fd's
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:46:56] <rdieter>	my debugging skills are stretched pretty thin at this point.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:47:19] <rdieter>	Been trying to find where (in kdelibs somewhere) the kdeinit4 socket gets created and/or dup'd
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:47:28] <Kevin_Kofler>	That socket should be opened with O_CLOEXEC and it isn't.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:47:41] <rdieter>	right, that's what I've been looking for
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:47:46] <Kevin_Kofler>	kdeinit4 doesn't exec, it only forks and loads the new executable as a library.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:47:51] <Kevin_Kofler>	So O_CLOEXEC shouldn't break it.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:48:11] <Kevin_Kofler>	And when running a non-KDE app, the exec will happen and the fd should get closed.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:48:43] <rdieter>	I'm still shocked that upstream can't reproduce this
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:49:22] <rdieter>	anyway, any pointers/assistance to find the code that creates these sockets (esp kdeinit4__0) would be much appreciated.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:49:23] <Kevin_Kofler>	Kubuntu might be disabling kdeinit4 entirely.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:49:42] <rdieter>	whoa, really?  didn't know that was even possible
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:50:11] <jreznik>	uf
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:50:12] <rdieter>	kdeinit *is* kind of an evil hack, though
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:50:32] <Kevin_Kofler>	I think export KDE_IS_PRELINKED=1 is enough.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:50:42] <rdieter>	we set that, don't we?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:50:59] <Kevin_Kofler>	Uhm, we do.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:51:10] <rdieter>	but only when prelinking is enabled.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:51:14] <Kevin_Kofler>	But maybe that's exactly the broken code?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:51:33] <rdieter>	fyi, I disabled prelink on my laptop here
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:51:58] <rdieter>	interesting... I'll try setting KDE_IS_PRELINKED anyway, and see
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:52:15] <Kevin_Kofler>	I have KDE_IS_PRELINKED set and I still see some stuff with kdeinit4 as the process name, especially kioslave stuff.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:52:33] <rdieter>	oh, I've gotta run to pick up kid from preschool, other mind finishing up the meeting?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:52:34] <Kevin_Kofler>	But Konsole isn't run through kdeinit4.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:52:47] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: and you do or do not see leakage too?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:53:21] <rdieter>	for example, running embedded konsole(3) inside of kile, I still see the socket fd's
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:53:45] <rdieter>	anyway, gotta run.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:53:51] <Kevin_Kofler>	I still see 35 fds with ls -l /proc/$(pidof konsole)/fd | wc -l
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:54:01] <Kevin_Kofler>	So KDE_IS_PRELINKED doesn't seem to help any.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:54:02] Spitzname	rdieter nennt sich jetzt rdieter_afk.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:54:29] <Kevin_Kofler>	I guess it actually is using kdeinit4, just hacking the command line which shows up in ps ax.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:55:06] <Kevin_Kofler>	It's a hack which some distros don't like, which is why Kubuntu might be disabling it entirely, but I have no idea if that's actually the case.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:55:20] <Kevin_Kofler>	Nor how they do it if it is.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:56:12] <Kevin_Kofler>	http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/kinit/
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:56:15] <Kevin_Kofler>	This is the kdeinit code.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:56:28] <Kevin_Kofler>	The sockets are probably created somewhere in there.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:56:57] <Kevin_Kofler>	OK, anything else?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:57:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	3 minutes left.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:58:12] <jreznik>	who's going to prepare summary today :D ?
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:58:24] <Kevin_Kofler>	jreznik: Do you volunteer? :-)
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:59:09] <svahl_mobile>	It's my turn.
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:59:20] <Kevin_Kofler>	OK
[Di Apr 14 2009] [18:59:55] <Kevin_Kofler>	Then that's all for today, thanks for coming!
[Di Apr 14 2009] [19:00:01] Thema	Kevin_Kofler setzt das Kanalthema auf "Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel for meeting schedule".
[Di Apr 14 2009] [19:00:06] <jreznik>	ok, great, I have to leave now... from morning in the office + dentist appointment today :)
[Di Apr 14 2009] [19:00:10] <jreznik>	thanks, bye
